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Ep. 1382: Joe Pine Interview with Michael Covel on Trend Following Radio

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My guest today is Joe Pine. He is an author, speaker, and management advisor to Fortune 500 companies and entrepreneurial start-ups alike. He is cofounder of Strategic Horizons LLP. He consults with numerous companies around the world, helping them embrace the ideas and frameworks he writes about, develop concepts for creating more economic value, and see those concepts become reality.

The topic is his book The Transformation Economy: Guiding Customers to Achieve Their Aspirations.

In this episode of Trend Following Radio we discuss:

  • Evolution from experience economy to transformation economy
  • Businesses guiding customers to achieve aspirations
  • Charging based on outcomes instead of time
  • Spheres of transformation health wealth wisdom purpose and meaning
  • Role of AI and personalization in enabling transformation platforms

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“The equity curve moves up while the balance curve goes down…”

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Hello. I hope you and your family are doing great. I’m your fan and a trend following trader. I have developed an EA to help me trade mostly because of trading hours in my country. I have to wake up at midnight to check for trade entries, which made me adopt an EA. But this EA acts strangely to me. If I let it run on backtesting it gives good results but when you check on drawdowns it’s worrying. The equity curve moves up while the balance curve goes down and in the end it closes with a high return. Attached is a screenshot of BTC chart H1. I know we don’t trade heroin timeframes but I just wanted to have your opinion on this screenshot.

You are asking me for my opinion on a one hour chart?


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“Price tells you everything you need to know…”

In the early 20th century, there was a man who understood the danger of “noise” better than anyone alive today. His name was Jesse Livermore.

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Mike,

Thank you for the note.

This is brilliantly stated. I couldn’t agree more.

Price tells you everything you need to know, and everything you need to pay attention to.

Kind regards,
Dan C.

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“I just wanted to say thanks for your book…”

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Hey buddy,

I just wanted to say thanks for your book trend following. I was around 12 years old when my teacher gave it to me and said study, don’t practice.

Ever since I’ve been lurking and experimenting with 200$ accounts. Not very good yet by any means, but I’m starting to see the waves.

Anyways, thanks for writing this book, it helped facilitate a 20 year friendship that I hold dear to my heart.

Much love and peace,
Austin W.

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“Price tells you everything you need to know…”

In the early 20th century, there was a man who understood the danger of “noise” better than anyone alive today. His name was Jesse Livermore.

By 1929, he had amassed a fortune of $100 million. In today’s dollars, that is roughly $1.5 billion. He did it by shorting the market right before the Great Depression, while the rest of the country was blindly buying.

But it is not what he traded that matters. It is how he traded.

Livermore did not work on a bustling trading floor. He did not host strategy meetings. He did not gossip with other brokers at the lunch club.

He rented a secret office on Fifth Avenue. It was a fortress of isolation.

There was no name on the door. He had a private elevator. He employed a massive bodyguard to sit outside and ensure that absolutely no one could enter.

Inside the office, there was silence. There was no news. There were no newspapers. There was only a massive chalkboard and a stock ticker tape.

One day, a friend managed to get through the security. He burst into the office, excited, shouting, “Jesse, I have a tip on Union Pacific! It’s going to the moon!”

Livermore didn’t say a word. He stood up, walked over to the telegraph machine that fed him the prices, and physically cut the wire.

He looked at his friend and said, “I have to play a lone hand.”

He knew that the moment he let another person’s opinion into his head, his edge was gone.

Collaboration is for Mediocrity

We are raised to believe that teamwork makes the dream work. In corporate jobs, in sports, and in school, collaboration is the key to success. In trading, collaboration is a disease.

When you seek the opinions of others, you are really seeking comfort. You are looking for a consensus to make you feel safe about a risky decision. But the market does not pay you for being safe. It pays you for being right when the consensus is wrong.

If you are in a Discord chat asking, “What do you guys think about Nvidia right now?” you are admitting that you do not have a system. You are crowdsourcing your conviction. The crowd is usually wrong. Therefore, by listening to them, you are importing their failure into your portfolio.

The Price of Admission is Loneliness

To catch a true outlier trend, the kind that turns a small account into a retirement fund, you have to sit through periods of extreme discomfort.

You have to hold a position when it pulls back and your brain screams “Sell!” You have to buy a breakout when the price looks “too high” and your friends say it’s a bubble.

You cannot do this if you are constantly plugged into the hive mind.

Extreme focus requires separation. You must separate yourself from the news cycle. You must separate yourself from the panic of the herd.

Livermore knew that the “ticker”, the price, told him everything he needed to know. The price includes all the news, all the fears, and all the hopes of the market. Anything else is just distraction.

The Modern “Wire”

You don’t have a telegraph wire in your office. You have something much worse.

You have a smartphone.

Every notification is a “tip” trying to break your focus. Every tweet from a macro-economist is a narrative trying to shake you out of a good trade.

Most traders today are addicts. They are addicted to the dopamine hit of information. They think that if they read one more article, they will find the secret.

The secret is that there is no secret information. There is only price action.

To level up, you need to replicate Livermore’s office. You might not be able to hire a bodyguard, but you can build a digital fortress.

Constructing Your Fortress

This is about subtraction, not addition.

Stop following 500 people on social media. Stop watching the pre-market shows. Stop reading the earnings reports.

Replace the noise with signal.

You have to play a lone hand.

Cut the wire. Trust the trend.

Michael Covel

P.S. Livermore killed himself. Study that too. You can have all the rules, but if your mind goes haywire, it’s all over.

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Excellent commentary. I read it several times.

N. Young

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“May the spirits of Jessie Livermore and Hettie Greene…”

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Looks like a good website. May buy a book or two.

Brother, you remind me a great deal of Jeffrey Donovan’s character “Bottles,” from the movie “Shot Caller”.

I, on the other hand, resemble one of the Hanson brothers from the movie “Slapshot”.

Just discovering this whole market thing and have started making my donations to the financial institutions.

Simply glorious!

59 years old, and there’s a whole wide world out there.

May the spirits of Jessie Livermore and Hettie Greene watch after you!

Greetings from Miami chum, and get your butt over to Dulles (if you haven’t already,) and into Udvar Hazy and give my regards to the DO335. Excellence knows no national boundaries.

Proceed nobly.

Joseph M.

Thanks!


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